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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:44:00 -
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Quote:Eligible voters had cast 31,294 votes, meaning that the number of votes cast this year is significantly lower than for CSM 8. We feel that this is due to a lack of awareness about the CSMGÇÖs form and function within the community, and we will be working actively with CSM9 to reach a broader audience over the coming term.
alternatively; people know about the CSM, and just don't give a ****. i was just as aware this year of the CSM elections, except i voted on 2 less accounts than last year because i just didn't feel motivated to vote. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:47:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:what percentage of eligible accounts cast votes? with less than 32k votes. i doubt the percentage even gets in to double digits. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:09:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Psychotic Monk came close this year, pity he didn't get on. indeed. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:12:00 -
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time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.
(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot) |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:21:00 -
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Tarikla wrote:Dave Stark wrote:time to make myself stupid; am i the only one that doesn't quite get this seemingly unnecessary STV system? especially since there weren't 14 people i wanted to vote for.
(think i'm one of the high sec people weasilor is laughing at for not filling my ballot) Basically, once your number one get elected, any "overflowing" votes (aka votes that your number one candidate do not need to be elected) transfer to the number 2, then number 3, etc. The process stop when your vote is useful for a candidate. So basically, if you only voted for very likely elected CSM, and did not fill your 14 votes, your vote has an high chance of just being wasted and basically, meaning nothing.
sounds like mine was wasted, which is nice to hear when voter turnout is lower than previously.
fill your ballot: people you don't really want on the csm get your votes. don't fill your ballot: your vote is wasted.
i guess it's easy to see why people can feel so apathetic towards the elections. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Voting is a lot of work and it's pretty hard.
it is when they're asking you to pick 14 people. i literally got to about 6 or 7 candidates and went "oh **** it, i can't be bothered" hit submit, and didn't bother logging in to vote on my alts. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:12:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Wow, when the goon propaganda machine starts pre-empting me with defensive posting, they are indeed in full spin mode.
I have been doing RL work, so don't even have time to absorb this, but 31,274 votes cast versus 49,402 last year, wow.
Now, wonder what the cause was from the following choices:
a. CCP completely bungled the entire "get out the vote" concept to new players (love the huge chunk of new accounts created for the vote, wonder how many will be active next month?) b. As Malcanis, mynnna, and the rest of the cartel propaganda team suggests, I, the lone high sec champion, managed to suppress the vote, with my posting of dead accurate analysis of what CCP and the cartels are doing with Eve. c. The majority of the player base, high sec, recognized the direction the game is heading, realized the futility of voting and didn't. d. All of the above.
Oh, and for option c., I wonder how many who chose that option are indeed voting in a much more pragmatic manner? E) none of the above, and we just don't give a **** either way. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:39:00 -
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if i understand it properly, the point was that provi "wasted" 800 votes, and when people missed out by 79 votes... that 800 could have had a substantial impact upon the results. if provi are fine with that, power to them but 800 votes is still a significant amount. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:52:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jayem See wrote:Weaselior wrote:i was going to explain more why you're all nuts but i then realized that i want you to stay this way so i will agree that you did exactly the right thing, thanks buddies Lol - run out of arguments so will just say I am right. Good work. you were right, I was wrong to criticize your voting strategy please accept my apology and inform everyone else that you were correct Carry on being told how to vote by someone else and realise that this is just a game.
might want to realise it's a multiplayer game where working together is something to be embraced, not snubbed. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:30:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I suggested that people take a % hit to their skill training time if they DIDN'T vote since psych studies show that you are more likely to respond to loss than bribes.
I have trouble understanding the people who didn't have the time to vote but do have the time to tell me that on the forums. And with the new voting procedure once you voted with one account said vote choices were saved for each successive account.
None of the Above is a good idea, he is a nice guy. Yes, there is a character called None of the Above
CCP Leeloo did ask a serious question . . . in case you missed it
If you didn't vote because you were not contacted HOW would you prefer said contact to come? EveMail spam? Popups in game while you are in the midst of a cambat? Bigger login messaging? Inability to login until you vote?
You are reading this on the forums but where do you think we can reach the MOST people. Get the message out with the highest efficiency and the lowest 'pissoff' rate?
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hit to skill training just fucks people who are out of town/unable to vote. they shouldn't be punished because most of the players don't give a rats ass about the CSM.
i think in-game mails are a good way to contact people. personal emails may get sent to spam. the character selection screen is also a terrible place as i view it for under a second as i reflexively hit enter to log in with my main character. inability to log in until you vote would probably coerce the most people to vote; however people voting because they're coerced is basically votes for whatever name is at the top of the list just so they can log in and ultimately counter productive and the fastest way to **** people off.
once you've mailed everyone in game, they're aware of the csm. after that it's a case of making them care; something neither ccp or the csm has done, and it clearly shows this year. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink [unless you impose a bunch of stupid "stick" methods that will do nothing but make everyone want to get rid of the csm because of the dumb **** penalties every year] |
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:49:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Oh and to the abstain idea. I like it. I would prefer that if Abstain wins outright there is another election and none of the original candidates can run in that election. I like to play hardcore.
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there already is an abstain option; it's called not voting. quite clearly, it's the overwhelming winner. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:58:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Dave Stark wrote: there already is an abstain option; it's called not voting. quite clearly, it's the overwhelming winner.
Nope, because they did not show up to show their disdain in abstaining. They might have been on vacation or too lazy to push butan or (to get back to the original point) they did not even bloody know that there was an election going on. Thems the ones I want to get to. m
alternatively; the level of care is that low, that they can't even be bothered to tell you how much they don't care.
if you want to get to them, send an evemail. you've just reached 100% of the playerbase and now nobody is ignorant of it's existence.
2 of my 3 accounts didn't vote because i didn't care enough. I kind of feel bad about that because my votes were mainly going to people i know in-game because it means something to them (i personally couldn't give a toss). I actually feel bad about that; i know i should care. however neither the csm or ccp have given me a reason to vote.
oh as an aside; votes are in may, been a while since i've been in education but i'm pretty sure may is exam season. sensible people value their education over space politics even if they do care. |

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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:07:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Dave Stark wrote: oh as an aside; votes are in may, been a while since i've been in education but i'm pretty sure may is exam season. sensible people value their education over space politics even if they do care.
Now THAT is a good point. On the assumption (no do not tell me what they say about assume) that we follow past forms the next election may not fall on that timeline. If Fanfest is in March and we elect the winners in March we will have to campaign sooner, vote in maybe even February. Or they can decide a year is a year and run the election after Fanfest. But good point just the same m
it's not that good of a point. while eve does have players players that are in education and would be affected by that i'm sure on the fanfest stream some one said the average age was 33, which means exams and such aren't going to be a reason for such a low voter turnout.
anyway, i'll just once again point out. eve mails, easy way to reach 100% of players. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:38:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Darin Vanar wrote:Dinsdale for CSM! i would vote for dinsdale for csm as long as someone promised me video of the summits how long are you willing to wait? if we have to wait months for *words* i imagine it'd take even longer to sort out a full video. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:09:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:Where is the reason for hisec to vote for nullsec candidates?
you seem to think that the csm is a tool for pushing personal agendas. it's not. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:23:00 -
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Greater Roadrunner wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kusum Fawn wrote:Where is the reason for hisec to vote for nullsec candidates? you seem to think that the csm is a tool for pushing personal agendas. it's not. If there is no reason to vote then there should be no vote.
there is a reason to vote, that reason isn't to push personal agendas though. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Greater Roadrunner wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kusum Fawn wrote:Where is the reason for hisec to vote for nullsec candidates? you seem to think that the csm is a tool for pushing personal agendas. it's not. If there is no reason to vote then there should be no vote. there is a reason to vote, that reason isn't to push personal agendas though. Of course it is used to push personal agendas, or at least, group advantages.
and people really want people like this voting? |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.10 06:21:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:still waiting david for? |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.10 09:43:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Seriously, we've got to find a way to get past the myth that nullsec hates highsec "carebears", espcecially to the point that nullsec candidates are seeking to destroy it. Without hisec, nullsec wouldn't operate very well and vice versa. or we could just let clueless people carry on not voting so they don't vote for people who're equally clueless and dilute the CSM with people that shouldn't be there. |

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Posted - 2014.05.10 11:48:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:CCP, STOP listening to CSM, which only represents 10% of your player base, and start thinking about the 90% of subscribed accounts that ARE NOT in one of these mega alliances. alternatively, that 90% should vote for people that aren't in the "mega alliances" if they dislike it so much. |
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:08:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:However, as stated previously, given the low voter turnout by the blocks, CCP also needs to make sure they're not ignoring the wants/needs of the remaining (Num_of_Subscribers - 31,294) players.
to be honest, as long as those (number of subscribers - bloc vote total) can log in, and shoot asteroids, red crosses, and white brackets... i don't think they massively care about anything beyond that. at the end of the day, eve is a game, the vast majority of people probably don't care about it beyond the ability to put their monthly subscription fee in every month, and get some fun out of it.
i can appreciate that ccp want people to be engaged with the game on multiple levels, but the csm and future development is a level that only really appeals to a certain subset of the playerbase (and that subset clearly isn't a majority). |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:32:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:also this argument that "the csm has too many nullsec candidates and not enough that represent MY PLAYSTYLE" is not something that ccp can actually change
also the argument is flawed on the assumption that the csm are there to push people's personal playstyles rather than to ensure ccp makes changes that benefit the health of eve as a whole. |
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